The rightist singularity

Statistics is what you use when you don't know what's really going on, so you're reduced to see patterns in data. It is useful, but it's not an ideal situation. Ideally you want to know exactly what mechanism is producing that data.

But of course data is in many cases infinitely divisible, and you can always go more micro in searching for causes. You want to know why society is changing so you do sociology, then you want to know the mental processes of the individuals so you do psychology, then you want to know what the neurons are doing so you do neuroscience, then you want to know what the neurons are all about so you do biochemistry, then you want to know how electrons move so you do physics, then you go into quantum physics, and then you realize that you still don't understand why engineer schools have so few women. Must be evil spirits.

To avoid the reduction treadmill humans use labels, or what we call names. Most names are quite accurate, some cause more problems than what they tried to fix. Say the political labels, 'left' and 'right'. We all know that they were just a convenient shorthand for the physical location of the different factions on the France National Assembly in 1789. The naming was very arbitrary, and nobody before the time had thought of studying politics through such a simplistic framework, yet it has become one of the most productive frameworks in the history of mankind. As it happens, in almost all human polities, before and after 1789, the struggle for power usually produces two big competing factions. The reason is that power is occupied by one faction, and contesters of that power naturally tend to group together to have a better shot of grabbing power for themselves.

And that is exactly what the Left and Right sides of the French Assemblée were, those in power, or at least supportive of the status quo, and those who were out of power and wanted power for themselves. It follows that the Right is for keeping things stable, and the Left is for stirring things up. That's why the actual contents of the policies advocated by self styled leftists and rightists change in different times and places, Left and Right isn't about what you stand for, they are merely references of position in the political spectrum.

But of course, as all things language, meanings are never that clear cut. While the common Left and Right today can be identified as those supporting the status quo vs those wanting to change things, the Far Right and Far Left aren't those who really want to keep the status quo and those who really want to change things. Arguably the Far Right wants more change than the Far Left does. Far Left and Far Right aren't positional labels, they stand for real political positions, i.e. the are the accelerationist version of their moderate namesakes. The Far Left wants more of whatever the contemporary Left wants, and the Far Right is the logical conclusion of whatever the Right stands for at the moment. It doesn't really work like that today, what we call the Far Left and Far Right are fossilized labels of the actual extreme rightists and extreme leftists of the 1930s. In the 1930s the status quo was that of a strongly nationalist nation-states, and the left wanted more socialism and less nationalism. Back then the Far Right was just an extreme Right, they wanted to go all the way towards nationalism, i.e. fascism, and the Far Left were just extreme leftist, i.e. internationalist communists. Today the Right isn't nationalist any more, but today fascists are still called Far Right. That's the way propaganda and journalism mess with language.

This idea that the Right is for the status quo, and the Left is for change, has very important ramifications, one of which was Jim Donald's theory of the Leftist singularity. If the Left is for change, and you have a political system in which change is not only not fought against, but actively facilitated, then people looking to grab power will always try to subvert the existing society with whatever positions they can think of, begetting an accelerating mess of chaos and insanity that can only end in a bloodbath and societal collapse. As Jim puts it:

The French Red Terror, the Soviet Great Terror, the Cambodian autogenocide, and many others were all examples of what I call left political singularities.Left wing repression tends to make things lefter, which tends to worsen left wing repression, which makes things even lefter, which …   The process only stops when the latest despot starts to realize he is not left enough, he is being outflanked on the left, is going to be overthrown by those even lefter than himself, and promptly executes everyone important who is even lefter than he is.

As it turns out, the optimal engine for leftism is egalitarianism. The physical properties of DNA itself mean that individuals from the same species can never be equal, so egalitarianism is necessarily unattainable. But millions of years of hunting in small bands mean half of the human brain is optimized for envy and hating those who attempt to be better than you. Actually is even worse than that, envy is hard wired deep in the brain since we were monkeys.

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So egalitarianism is both appealing and impossible. There is always space further on the left. The perfect match for a subversive ideology.

As such, over time leftism came to be associated with egalitarianism, and rightly so. But that doesn't mean that egalitarianism is the only way to subvert a political system. The leftist singularity is based on claiming higher status by being more egalitarian than anyone else. So you get a status arms race in which everyone tries to be more egalitarian than the others. That works because people (and monkeys) take equality to be a good thing. But it's not the only good thing, and the singularity mechanism also works with other methods of assigning status.

Jim recently wrote that in an ideal reactionary polity, the official religion would make envy a capital sin. Ironically, this is how things work presently in China. The recent economic boom under the crony capitalist system has made China an outrageously unequal society, in which Ferrari's sharing roads with rusted bicycles is a daily occurrence. Obviously the common people are extremely envious, green with envy, or maybe red, their social networks are full on all kind of hate of those rich, which are universally regarded as the root of all evil. If you go to China and want to make friends with the common folk, just complain about nouveau riche and corrupt officials. It's easily 80% of all people talk about.

But of course the Chinese government, as the target of all this resentment, tries to deflect it with all their (quite substantial) means, so officially it is taught that envy is not a good thing. People are exhorted not to fall into 仇富 (hostility to wealth), and have a positive attitude towards money and entrepreneurship, that with effort and conscientiousness anyone can become gloriously rich. Of course the people aren't stupid, so the government does pay lip service to their concerns, and occasionally crack down on the most egregious examples of cronyism, but going the way to show your commitment to human equality in China is not a good way to gain power and status. You might get followers on Weibo, but go too far and you'll get sent to reeducation camp, and have your dang'an soiled for life.

So how do you get status in China then? Well the idea of course is that you should join the Communist Party, but there's 80 million people there already, and once there it's just a bureaucratic mess of clans and factions, where success depends in decades of very fine politicking. The Party is effectively isolated from society, and the internal status system has no effect on the wider society. So what are the masses to do? People crave status the same way the crave food and sex, it is a basic human need. A human right if there was ever one. If people don't have access to the political system, and they can't really make much money, how are they to cope with their need for status? The Chinese government, in their heavenly wisdom, knows that the people need a release mechanism, some means of attaining status so they can impress their neighbors and feel good with themselves. As I said above, most of the world uses egalitarianism. Actually China used to play that game too, but it produced the Cultural Revolution. Something else will have to do.

The Chinese not being known for their innovativeness, have settled for a European import. Nationalism. Ever since the Leftist Singularity showed it's fangs yet again in Tiananmen Square in 1989, the Communist Party leadership decided that enough was enough, and cracked down on envy-based religion. Communist ideology was de-emphasized, and the (very substantial) propaganda apparatus was redesigned to focus on making the people proud of the glorious Chinese nation. Chinese nation which had been bullied since 1840 by evil foreigners, and especially by Japan. Yes, Evil Japan. Half the history curriculum in schools was made on the Sino-Japanese war (1937-1945), the "8-year resistance" against the evil neighbor. For 20 years the people have been instructed to work hard to attain the glorious Renaissance of the Chinese Nation (there's a government department in charge of calculating how far China is from achieving the objective, currently at 62%), and 60% of soap operas on TV (which make 70% of all TV shows on air) are about brave Chinese soldiers fighting evil Japan during WW2. Of course after 20 years, the poor show producers have run out of plausible stories to write, and have increasingly being making hilariously over the top anti-Japanese shows. Here's a clip on a show where a hot female Chinese Communist beats the evil Japanese with her mad archery skillz:

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The official backing of nationalism and anti-Japanese-ism gives ambitious people a good way to earn status. Just hate Japan! Or the Philippines, or Vietnam, or India, or whatever country ever that has any conflict with China. But hating Japan gives you extra points, as seen in the periodical anti-Japanese riots that happen in Chinese cities whenever China runs out of diplomatic cards. Not that the people really give a shit about Japan, but they have sensed that being anti-Japanese gives you status points, so status-conscious people smell the cues and act accordingly. That's why you have people going ballistic over the Senkaku islets dispute. See this illuminating exchange at a Chinese forum:

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All the media in China are controlled by the Communist Party Propaganda Department, which gives and takes licenses for newspapers and website operators. And while every week they send top-down cues to all media companies in the country about what news are to be talked about and what to avoid, their leash is not as tight as it once was. For one, it's not like they're sovereign, the Propaganda Department also has to report to the Politburo and other higher committees. And once Pandora's box has been opened, it's hard to close it again. After all there are 80 million party members with an official right to seek power, and a huge, oversized academic establishment that also seeks upward mobility by seeking fame and status points.

So how do you get status points today in China? Easiest way is to screw with Japan. And soon enough, people are coming up with ways to screw with Japan. Since last month, China is buzzing with talk about how Okinawa doesn't really belong to Japan. We're not talking about some rocks in the middle of the sea, we're talking about a whole province of millions which has been controlled by Japan for 400 years. Okinawa was a small island in the middle of nowhere, which emerged out of barbarism around the 14th century, and started trading with China and Japan. China wouldn't let you trade if you didn't kowtow in front of the emperor and send him tokens of your infinite inferiority ("tribute"), and so they did. Japan back then was in the heyday of Samurai culture, and once they found there was some small island in the south seas that was making good money trading with China, they sent an expedition, invaded and took over the place. Of course they didn't want to disturb the lucrative Chinese trade, but as Japan and China didn't have the best of relationships (has to do with centuries of piracy and a full scale invasion that kinda helped kill the Ming dynasty), the Samurai overlords kept a low profile and went on sending tribute and kowtowing messengers.

It doesn't make any sense to argue that Okinawa isn't Japanese territory because they used to send shipments of Bananas once a decade into Beijing, and any sane person in China is more than aware of it. But it's not about sanity or historical truth, this is about politics, and as long as Japan is a convenient enemy to rally the populace with, anti-Japanese rhetoric will be profitable in China. And of course like all profitable things, everyone wants to get into it and get a part of the pie. 20 years ago people started talking about the Nanjing massacre in 1937. At first it was 30,000 dead, then it was 50k, then 100k, then some academic said he had proof for 200k, and recently the number has been hiked to 300k. One wonders if any of the city inhabitants was able to escape. Not that it really matters, the evil of killing 100,000 civilians and killing 200,000 civilians doesn't register as different in most people's brains. But of course the more dead you can make up, the worse Japan looks, and as making Japan look bad is a good thing, the incentive is to come up with ever more outlandish claims about Chinese victimization.  Ditto of the surprisingly round numbers for Korean comfort women.

Jim wrote that the essential difference between the Left and the Right meant that while the Left was prone to always spiral out of control into a murderous leftist singularity, the Right only cares about order and stability, so a Right singularity is impossible. That makes some sense, but it is simplistic, because it doesn't take into account that the mechanism of the leftist singularity is by no means exclusive to the Left. Egalitarianism, being based in the universal envy instinct, can easily spiral out of control into a murderous Reign of Terror, but nationalism, which is based in the also universal human trait of tribalism, can also easily spiral out of control into irredentist warmongering. What was Nazism if not a Right Singularity, where? Saner voices were shut down and ignored, while supporting ever insaner schemes for the eternal glory of the Aryan Nation, no matter how stupid, would always get you higher status. That was Hitler's genius, he unleashed the Right singularity in his own persona.

Right now China has a strong enough government to control the nationalism singularity from spiraling out of control, and even if some random academic or army general comes out every month saying that China should just go to war and teach those barbaric neighbors a lesson (or just pushing for nuclear war against the US), the government is usually able to have sanity prevail and control the limits of public discourse. Of course the same could be said of USG, that as much as leftism is the supreme religious principle of the country, and ever more outlandish leftist schemes are the easiest way of upward status mobility for most people, USG has been able to stop leftism from spiraling out of control, leading to outright communism and other steps of the leftist singularity. But that doesn't mean that slowly, step by step, leftism aka envy keeps pushing the West leftward, and perhaps in some point in the future, the powers that be lose control of the situation and the singularity unleashes its destructive force. In the same way, rightistm aka tribalism, even if contained by China as of now, may in some point in the future overwhelm the government's control, and unleash an irredentist total war, aka the rightist singularity.

I do think that the leftist singularity today is more powerful, because at the end of the day, envy is stronger than tribalism, for obvious evolutionary reasons. But not by much.

Call it the status singularity.

Lacks punch, doesn't it?

Jesus commands me to troll your blogs. Simon.

"This idea that the Right is for the status quo, and the Left is for change, has very important ramifications, one of which was Jim Donald’s theory of the Leftist singularity." I don't think that's correct any more. When capitalism was restricted to the nation-state conservatives and capitalists were on the same side but with globalism they've started to split apart as globalist capitalism wants to destroy the status quo - especially nation-states - also. So imo now there are three underlying camps that haven't fully shaken out yet: - globalist left - conservative left & right - globalist right In this model fascists would be far-conservative and libertarians the far-right. You see this explicitly taking shape in the UK at the moment with UKIP breaking away from the globalist right Conservative Party but at the same time gaining support from lots of conservative left voters. . "As it turns out, the optimal engine for leftism is egalitarianism. The physical properties of DNA itself mean that individuals from the same species can never be equal, so egalitarianism is necessarily unattainable." I think this is only really true of blank-slate egalitarianism. Earlier forms of socialism explicitly stated "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need." There is a general truth in the idea of a Leftist Singularity. In a power struggle based purely on idealogy there will be an obvious tendency for the competitors to gradually drift leftwards as they try and trump each other but most of the insanity of the modern west is not based solely on egalitarianism. It's based on hitching egalitarianism to the fundamental wrongness of the blank slate. There may be things wrongs with egalitarianism in itself but the blank slate magnifies it a hundred fold.

Your post is clearly connected with Jim's post about the Next Official Belief System: http://blog.jim.com/culture/the-next-official-belief-system.html I will comment on both post here. His ideas are useful as far as they go, but they are insufficient. (I do not speak about their rightness,only about their usefulness, since it is useless to speak about what is right on Internet - readers mostly have different assumptions and for that reason will not even understand what I mean, far less be persuaded. Anyway, I consider him to be partially right, but to ignore many important factors). As to the usefulness of his ideas for ensuring the obedience and loyalty of the subjects in the state, they have one glaring lack. As you correctly remarked, the natural tendency of men is to envy all those who are better off than them, unless those better off help them in some way. In addition, people can only trust people whom they know. Both those factors limit the size of society to the (actual, not metaphorical) tribe, ie about 200-300 men. Of course, in history we met with many societies which are much larger than that. This is impossible from the materialistic point of view, and therefore must have been, and was, caused by the supernatural causes. The above mentioned theory was developed by Voegelin. HIs writings tend to be esoteric and abstruse. Fortunately, there is a very accessible introduction to his theory, as applied to the history of China, in lectures by Edward Kaplan. http://web.archive.org/web/20080424100215/http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~kaplan/ Start with History 370: Chinese Political History, chapter 2. http://web.archive.org/web/20081204102343/http://www.wwu.edu/~kaplan/H370/ap02.pdf To condense his lecture: The paradox of Sovereignty is: Why the many ruled (who are poor, low, status, and unhappy) obey the few rulers (who are rich, high status, and happy), instead of killing and eating them. The answer is: because the Heaven has given the rulers the power to rule. The State worked this way throughout history, until the year 1000 AD, when the Western revolution began - the Secularization of the State. It finally matured in 1789. In the Western secular system, the State is no longer the representative of Heaven on Earth. The Paradox of Sovereignty was solved in a different way: the State promised to build Heaven on Earth, called Utopia. Voegelin named this system the Immanentization of Eschaton. The system is also called Progress, because Utopia is always in the Future. If the Future becomes to near to the Present, the Singularity appears. The Left appeals to envy - of course, but only to defeat it. The promises to gratify envy would be fulfilled only if the State was destroyed, and all lived in the tribal system. This is promised - for the Future. For now, everyone has to obey the Elite, and those who do not obey the Elite, are the enemy of the People, because they want to take away the Future Equality from the People. Now, the belief system proposed by Jim contains neither Heaven, nor Future. It will not work, because there is not reason for anybody to believe it. The promised utopian Future does not have to be Equality, it can be Freedom, or Riches. Of course, promising all good things together works best. It is strictly inferior eg to Libertarianism, which does promise the Future Freedom and Equality (of opportunities), in fact nearly indistinguishable from the socialist vision of Communism. On the other hand, China likes to use systems which have been tested in practice. They replaced the Communist Future by the Nazi Future. That system worked in the past, and will work now. Current elites have no intention of causing revolution. The Left rules, and for that reason it cannot be revolutionary and cannot desire change. They know very well that Singularity would be disastrous - for them. At the same time, their rule is based on the promised Future Change. They must, therefore, attempt to attain the Future Happiness, but fail to do so. However, if they fail, it would appear that they are weak and must be replaced. Therefore, they must fail because of the machinations of the Enemy. The Enemy is strong, and restrains them from attaining Utopia. Moreover, it must grow stronger, since the forces of progress also grow stronger as they near the utopia. "The class combat grows more fierce with the progress of Socialism" said Joseph Stalin. This explains why the Utopia has not yet arrived, and at the same time allows to increase the discipline both amongst the people and the elites - so that no-one will be able to prove more Utopian and take over the Mandate of Future (cf. Mandate of Heaven in China). Gradually, the belief in the Future (or this particular Future) decreases and the system deflates into corruption.

Try to see left vs right as envy vs greed. Envy is to improve relative goodness of the weak vs strong. Greed has two meanings: to improve the relative goodness of the strong vs weak, and to improve goodness relative to oneself. Both envy and greed are manifestation of trying to increase one's evolutionary fitness. The human brain primarily measures goodness in relative terms. Generally speaking, below a survival threshold, the desire of improving goodness relative to oneself dominates; above the survival threshold, the desire of improving relative to others dominates; once one is above most people, the desire of improving relative to oneself once again dominates, since marginal profit of getting better than others diminishes. A society struggling for survival must go somewhat rightist to avoid dying. When above survival threshold, to maximize oneself's goodness, people below average naturally lean to the left/envy, people above average naturally lean to the right/greed. To mitigate the conflict and maintain the functioning of the society, and to fight for dominance, mind programmings are used. Program 1: one group's value is mind-projected onto the opposing group. Leftism programs people to feel for the misery of the weak, hence slave morality and egalitarianism. Rightism programs people to feel for the achievement of the strong, hence master morality and nationalism. Religions can help by projecting compensatory other-worldly goodness onto both groups; the compensatory goodness are usually a reflection of some ideological good (eg. a blissful afterlife == a good future society). Program 2: one group's value to diverted to an external target to reduce its internal contention. eg. Rightists in a weak country divert people's envy / sense of inferiority towards other strong countries. Leftists in a strong country divert people's greed / sense of superiority towards other weak countries. Program 3: use the opposing group's value to advance one's own value. eg. The communists used people's desire for egalitarianism to build the most unequal societies. The leftists used crony capitalism to bait rightists into building ever more leftist societies.

That would be an elegant classification if there had ever been a Right which was for greed. But there hasn't. What historically has been called Right was about law and order, i.e. leaving things as they are. Tribalism qua nationalism isn't inherently "Rightist", in fact originally it was a Leftist subversive meme against the Ancient Regime, but when mass media was invented nationalism was the status quo, i.e. the Right, and political labels have become fossilized since. Greed is never part of the program because people just aren't that greedy. If you have envy vs greed there's no contest really. http://falkenblog.blogspot.jp/2010/03/why-envy-dominates-greed.html Envy is to want more, or at least no less than your peers. Greed is rare, and most of the time just a way to keep up with your peers, i.e. a form of envy. Improvement relative to oneself is very, very, very small.

You just have a different definition than me. Please re-read my 2nd paragraph for my definition. For me, envy is not to want more, but the resentful feeling when having less than other (and therefore, both having more or making others having less are fine to quench envy). Greed is to want more, and since Right is to ultimately build a society of more, both in relative and absolute terms, it is greed.

This system has been used by previous Lefts. “The class combat grows more fierce with the progress of Socialism” said Joseph Stalin. This explains why the Utopia has not yet arrived, and at the same time allows to increase the discipline both amongst the people and the elites – so that no-one will be able to prove more Utopian and take over the Mandate of Future (cf. Mandate of Heaven in China). This system, however, historically didn't stop the Singularity. In fact, the increase of persecution was simply the continuation of earlier increase in radicalism, and a second phase of failed Singularity. At last, the persecution is universal - As Stalin's subordinates explaines, to persecutes only guilty allows the innocent to be unafraid, and therefore not fully obedient. However, the maximum of tension and oppression cannot last. The functionaries who are responsible for persecuting others conspire together to avoid persecution themselves. (Cf. the fall of Qin and Robespierre). Gradually, the belief in the Future (or this particular Future) decreases and the system deflates into corruption. Previously, the new elite often restored the monarchy, in order to provide themselves the Mandate of Heaven. The National Socialist system of Roosevelt or Hitler is much more stable than the classical Left system, because the official and inofficial versions of reality (NB Both are part of the State propaganda) are much nearer. The state demanded national solidarity, and promised national dominance: Master Race, Manifest Destiny. The Fear was directed outside, towards an Enemy who was quite real and quite active. For that reason, the necessary persecution was much lesser. Similarly, propaganda was much simpler: the Enemy was actually out there, and actually fighting against National Dominance. For that reason, China will use the Nazi system, although very cautiously. For example, notice that the conflicts which they have started are with safe enemies, about meaningless isles, or mountains in Himalayas. The conflict is not dangerous for either side: in fact, it helps both governments. The true enemy of China is of course USA. If Japan is pushed far enough, it will go nuclear: it will be beneficial for China, since China has no intention of invading Japan, and nuclear Japan will help push USA out of West Pacific. Abe in Japan is clearly thinking the same way. http://chinamatters.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-tiger-and-fox.htmlhttp://chinamatters.blogspot.com/2013/05/chinas-border-rows-mirror-grim-history.html However, the situation in USA is different. At present, it cannot use the Nationalist system, and the Classical Left Singularity is impossible. USA is different from all other countries in which revolutions happened. In England, in France and in Russia the Left was in opposition to government which was more or less traditional. USA from the beginning was governed by a Progressive coalition of businessmen and priests/ideologues. (Darren Staloff-The Making of an American Thinking Class : Intellectuals and Intelligentsia in Puritan Massachusetts). This coalition was able to defuse any attempt at revolution by getting in front of it and leading it in a direction complementary with its interests. After the National-Socialist phase of Roosevelt, about 1968 there appeared a new idea: a liberation not of the workers, but of women, sexual minorities, racial minorities etc. It entailed some costs: the Jews were a necessary partner and had to get their pound of flesh, both in banking and in universities and mass-media. This idea proved to be immensely useful to the leading intellectual/business coalition, however, and is promoted nearly unanimously. It allows to increase inequality while fighting inequality, and moreover fragment and demoralize lower classes while attempting to reach the "Egalitarian Future". The imagined end state of that system is something like Chicago: the society is divided into conflicted racial groups. Members of each group must support the leadership of their group which defends them from other groups. The leaderships of all groups conspire together in order to gain and retain wealth and power - more or less of them according to the power of each group. Promoting such groups as women, blacks etc is especially useful, since those groups are unable to function in society without help, and therefore can be relied on to support their helpers, while being unable to revolt against them. This is the traditional "Alliance of High and Low against the Middle". This system represses the actual revolutionary class: the white lower class men - under the guise of promoting revolution. For that reason, any classical revolution is impossible. The construction of the system is ingenious. However, it does exactly what much more primitive system of persecution did: it supplements Hope with Fear. In the persecution system, the Fear was of the hidden Enemy, and also of the organs which were hunting that enemy. This worked similarly to the psychology of Witch Hunts: https://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2013/05/16/witch-hunts-east-and-west/ In the diversity system, the Fear is officially of the anti-diversity Nazis, and unofficially of being thought a Nazi and persecuted accordingly.The system works as long as Fear supports Hope. But what happens when the Hope disappears? And finally, it must disappear. The coming of Future cannot to delayed indefinitely, if the Hope for that Future is to survive. The best way to solve this problem is to provide a New Hope. Libertarianism offers such a hope, and is in all ways in agreement with the interests of the ruling class. It has two problems: Firstly, the dismantling of the State entails some limitation in the handouts for the Lower Classes (racial enemies). They can be provided by Free Enterprise, but undoubtly in much lesser amount. For that reason, the libertarian system can be introduced only in deep economic crisis, when the current system fails disastrously. Fortunately, we are clearly nearing that moment. According to the doctrine of Beneficial Crisis, explained by Soros and others (Do not let a crisis go to waste!) this is the moment to introduce far-reaching reforms, combining growing Fear with shining Hope for the success of the new initiative. Secondly, in my opinion libertarianism will be an economic disaster. But this is also not a problem, since it will be necessarily introduced by the Right. However, there will be necessary a next system, after the libertarianism fails. One possibility is Fear without Hope. This is the classical system, in which the ruler is the Katechon, restrainer of the Apocalypse, and the hope is transcendent, for the Heaven. However, I do not think that this can function in a secular system, even with the modern development of technology of oppression. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katechon The second is some variant of the Nazi system. When the situation grows bad enough, even a return to normality can be hoped for. One can sell Jim's system, in other words Dark Enlightement, as a Hope to white men, and some white women. The Fear and the Enemy are self-evident. The problem, of course, that the target population by that time will be only a part of society. The second problem is that it is in diametrical opposition to the previous propaganda. Accordingly, it could be introduced only after a long period of preparation and in a desperate situation. After achieving internal control of the State, this can be widened as a Manifest Destiny for National Greatness: bringing the Darkness to the world oppressed by the Light.

This is well done Spandrell, and it expertly illustrates the confusion of contemporary left-right terminology. Any social movements that runs on (as opposed to domesticating) the high-octane fuel of hate-based motivation, with its dehumanization of the other, is bound to have its catastrophic failure modes. It's not surprising that China has diverted hate for the evil rich into hate for the evil foreigner, hoping they can always keep the wild beast just tame enough. Hate for "them" is a great way to create the feeling of "us". In a stretched way, this is yet another species of egalitarianism - emphasizing the preference for commonality over difference - and seeking to erase the distinction, one way or another. But when folks like Jim talk about "Right" in the sense of "stability and order", my impression is that what they are really getting at is a contentedly insular focus. That is "Know your place, be happy in it, mind your own business, keep your hands to yourself, and stop worrying about everybody else, except to ensure to keep them out of your business too." Idolization of Victorianism or certain North American contexts is, I guess, a kind of rose-colored view that these came close to meeting this ideal. It seems like what people want in a "Healthy Right Society". It's also the vision "Healthy Left Society" - except there a key difference. The Left wants to accomplish this materially through leveling, redistribution, racial and gender quotas, and the entire evolving suite of weapons deployed by the Arsenal of Equality. That is, they want people to stop caring about these things because they don't have to - there's nothing to care about - because the bureaucracy is taking care to get rid of the "provocations" by establishing their utopia. The right wants to accomplish this psychologically - through use of various social institutions that help to shape the moral minds of the population. "Love, don't hate.", "Be happy with your lot in life." Again, early Christianity incorporated elements of both strategies. We think the left is the psychological, brainwashing, propagandizing and Orwellian party - but perhaps they just think it's an interim requirement, only necessary to fend off the barbarians until the walls to the New Jerusalem are finished. It takes such a long time to get the permits and the environmental impact studies complete though. Is that hut a historical building? Oh bother ... We think the Right is the "dark truth" - "noir realism" party - but it definitely wants people to think, believe, and act in a way which is both highly unnatural and opposed to rational self-interest. Which I think can only be accomplished through something like religion. And so, if it is an opposite, mybe that's what "Darkest Enlightenment" is really about. Ugly-truth hard-rationalism is also a kind of interim solution - on the way to the benevolent mind-control noble-lies that lie at the heart of the objective. James Goulding! From hell's heart I stab at thee! Do I win this round of "Darker than thou?!"

> What historically has been called Right was about law and order, i.e. leaving things as they are. Law and order and leaving things as they are are different things. The later is called [ultra] conservative or traditionalists. I am not talking about the historical Left and Right of French Assemblée, but the generalized properties of Left and Right spectrums as they refer to today. As you said, the Left and Right of French Assemblée happened to respectively flavor the underdog (hence for social "progress") and those in power (hence for status quo), so they also fit in the modern spectrum of Left and Right.

Well, Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn would have a ready answer for you: nationalism is leftism. It is basically another name for Jacobinism. These paradoxes of right-wing nationalism are just another manifestation of the fundamental problem of modern rightism -- namely, that a large part of its content is just yesterday's leftism that the left has in the meantime abandoned for a more extreme left position. So, I'd say this is nothing but just another mode of leftist singularity. Rabble-rousing by mass tribalist propaganda (as well as manufactured tribal identities based on cartoonish bogus history) are often attractive ideological weapons for those fighting the pure leftist politics of envy and holier-than-thou egalitarianism. But ultimately, this just means adopting one part of the leftist platform of lies, status-whoring, and rabble-rousing to fight the other, so it's unsurprising that it may lead to a positive-feedback singularity failure mode, where the system provides incentives for ever greater insanity. Patriotism, of course, is another matter. However, patriotism presupposes a genuine civilized historical community and social order, as well as a class of people with genuine political liberties and a stake in their stability and perpetuation, so that overall it provides sane and sensible incentives. Authentic clan tribalism is also a different matter: it may be very ugly, but it also presupposes a stable historical social order in which the incentives are aligned towards stability, not positive feedback loops.

Whether nationalism is left or right is a good question. For this sometimes nationalists are described as "third position" although I think right-wing is more appropriate. Stalinism had a certain nationalist component, which is why they like it at Counter-Currents. Nazism was a singularity, but I think it was different from left singularity in that it started out as one, and cooler heads didn't realize this until too late, while left singularities tend to become that way down the road.

The Right is to ultimately build a society of more? Where do you get that from? It only seems that way in comparison with the Left, which is about having a society of Less, so whatever the Right does, it would some More in comparison. But I know of no Rightist movement anywhere which is focused on building more, the kind of greed you refer to.

That presumes there is an alternative to rabble-rousing as the basis for any modern polity.

Historical evidence is that nationalism was leftist before socialism appeared further left, making it rightist.

I refuse to accept that political labels refer to honest "visions" of how society should be. Leftist are status seekers who notice societal cues and say whatever they have to gain status, 99% of leftists have no vision of how society will turn out if they do what they say. Ditto for rightists too. People are just not good at long term thinking.

Well, yes, that is the problem. As I often say, mass media are a hideous thing. Their amplifying effect on public status-whoring and rabble-rousing is by itself enough to turn the whole society into a powder keg, constantly threatening to explode into a political singularity of one kind or the other. Which of course did happen throughout the world in the past century, with cataclysmic results, the Anglosphere being the only significant part that was spared. Ironically, this is where we get to the depressing possibility that Brezhnevism may be our only realistic salvation. Modernity really doesn't seem to offer any more effective barriers against runaway political singularities than an entrenched bureaucratic class whose incentives and Machiavellian skills will quickly destroy any upstart rabble-rouser (along with anyone else who challenges the system, of course). Maybe the resulting stagnation, dysfunction, and mendacity is in fact the best possible deal, considering that it buys safety against otherwise unavoidable total cataclysm. (And as I think Moldbug once remarked, the Anglos are lucky that they got their Brezhnevism quickly and easily, without an intervening disastrous and bloody lurch towards a political singularity.) Of course, it remains to be seen whether the Cathedral Brezhnevism is in fact resilient enough to avoid a plunge towards a left singularity. My money is still on Sir Humphrey, though.

If you don't have the utility argument for the Right, then you have no argument for the Right. What are the Rightists/anti-Left arguments? Economic growth, technological progress, eugenics, prosperous society, the upper-half refusing to share/average with the lower-half, etc. It is all about being more (or refusing to be less, which is the same motive). > Left, which is about having a society of Less, No people want to have less. The Left is about having no-less than other, and so is envy-driven. Becoming absolutely less is the side effect of pursuing their goal of relatively no-less.

It seems you try to define Left vs Right as change (to grab power) vs status quo (to retain power). But it makes no sense in the modern spectrum. Otherwise, the chinese who flavor free-market reform and smaller government should be called the Leftist, since it is them want the change and the transfer of power.